24 March 2016

Red Ice Radio interview ~ Reference List

(For second Red Ice interview 2018, see here.)

On March 18, Henrik Palmgren from Red Ice Radio interviewed me about the Oera Linda-book. The recording was published online (second hour members only) on March 28. Here is a list of references.

Hour 1

06:50 Red Ice interview about Bock Saga (May 2014).

07:05 "De Gemaskerde God" 2004 by G.Th. Jensma (summary).

07:21 "Het Oera Linda Boek" 2008 by Sura de Heer (private publication), see sample:

08:14 Unexplained Mysteries, Oera Linda thread.

09:11 "De onechtheid van het Oera Linda-Bôk, aangetoond uit de wartaal waarin het is geschreven." 1876 by J.B. Vinckers, here.

09:45 The audio of parts of my video (English, German, Dutch, Norse and Frisian) was recently blended out by Youtube on copyright grounds. The intact English version is uploaded in separate parts on Trutube.

10:22 My other weblog with test translations: http://aldfryas.blogspot.de/

10:40 "The Oera Linda Book - from a Manuscript of the Thirteenth Century" 1876 by William R. Sandbach, here.

13:45 Genealogy of the Over de Linden family.

14:30 The "Provinciaal Friesch Genootschap ter Beoefening van Friesche Geschied-, Oudheid- en Taalkunde", founded in 1827, still exists as "Koninklijk Fries Genootschap".

15:00 The society member who was initially interested and going to translate it was Dr. E. Verwijs. Eventually Dr. J.G. Ottema took over and published the OLB.

16:00 Mistake: 18th century should be 19th century.

16:17 For example J.B. Vinckers (1876): "Those pre-Christian Oera-Linda's have very dangerous, utterly advanced views." ("Die voor-Christelijke Oera-Linda's houden er zeer bedenkelijke, uiterst geavanceerde denkbeelden op na.")

16:35 Mistake. In 1806 a brother of Napoleon became the first king. The current kingdom started in 1815. I was confused with the year Belgium seceded, 1830.

16:40 "The Frisian Society (Fries Genootschap) might not have been founded, if king Willem I [(1772–1843)] would not have convoked all 'fatherlandic historians and linguists' by Royal Order of 23 December 1826, to submit proposals for the concoction of a 'General Netherlandic History'.
Until then an enterprise like that had not been undertaken, despite of 'the great importance of such a history, that aims at cultivating love for the fatherland, stimulating civic virtue and maintaining the national character'.
At this occasion he had also promised money for plausible proposals, even if they would not be awarded."

From: "Om de erfenis van Friso ~ 175 jaar Fries Genootschap" by Goffe Jensma, published in "Het Fries Genootschap 1827-2002" (2002), chapter 3, p.26.

20:05 Mistake: 8th century should be 9th century (803 CE).

22:30 Best initial investigations were by Ottema (1873) "Geschiedkundige aanteekeningen en ophelderingen bij Thet Oera Linda Bok" and Vitringa (1874) "Naar aanleiding van Thet Oera Linda Bok" (German translation)

 24:00 Example of word study: NÉSTON, NÉSTA etc. ~ next of kin, nearest, neighbors, equals

26:00 Videos about the alphabet and numerals: part 2a, 2b and 2c.

28:50 Depiction of so-called "Arab" numerals at Alhambra Palace in southern Spain:
... and in the OLB:

30:10 Letters from 1256 and 803 CE at the beginning of the book (my new translation).

32:00 List of recorded book burning incidents (wikipedia).

39:20 See examples of deification:
Minerva and Vesta: p.55 Sandbach, Wodin: p.79 Sandbach, Neptune: p.83 Sandbach. Some fragments in which religions or cults are criticised, see here.

39:55 About the mythological first mother of the whites, Frya, and her 'Tex" (primal teachings or laws), see p.13, p.17 and p.19-23 Sandbach

40:05 About burgs (citadels), (folk-)mothers and maidens, see laws on p.25-31 Sandbach

45:45 "If an army leader would have defeated a big enemy...": Rights of Mothers and Kings (army leaders), Sandbach p. 37:
11. If a king has conquered a dangerous enemy, his successors may take his name after their own. The king may, if be wishes, choose an open piece of ground for a house and ground; the ground shall be enclosed, and may be so large that there shall be seven hundred steps to the boundary in all directions from the house.
12. His youngest son may inherit this, and that son's youngest son after him; then it shall return to the community.
41:15 About the 'Golden Age' and its end (big flood etc.), see Sandbach p.67-71 and p.71.

42:30 Frisland - Faroe Islands  theory (with images) by Alewyn Raubenheimer (password: "zeno"). His book is currently out of print.

44:16 Disappearing civilisations around 2200 BCE, see forum post by geologist A. Raubenheimer, 11 Dec. 2011 (quoting from his book).

45:04 How the Western and Northern regions of the Netherlands would be without its coast-, dike-  and water-management:

47:20 Detailed description of what a burg looked like and daily activities, see Sandbach p.147-155.

47:30 Wise burg-maidens speaking, for example Minerva p.51, Frana p.115-117, Troost p.143-145.

49:35 About the invasion of eastern Scandinavia by an Asian tribe ca. 2100 BCE (Æsir?), see p.73-79 Sandbach; how Denmarks were lost ca. 600 BCE, see p.111-117.

51:00 Forum posts by "FromFinland" about Ynglinga Saga, see here and here.

52:00 OLB and its advocates ridiculed: In 1871 and 1872 a.o. by Spectator magazine; see here (Dutch language only). Later (1876) in particular by Vinckers (Dutch only).

52:33 Arguments for authenticity ignored: Those in Ottema's introduction of 1872 and 1876 edition as well as his booklet (1873) "Geschiedkundige aanteekeningen en ophelderingen bij Thet Oera Linda Bok". Vitringa (1874) made some good points too.

52:53 Must be 1927: "Het Geheim van het Oera-Linda-Book" by Dr. M. de Jong Hzn. This theorizes that linguist Eelco Verwijs would have been OLB's creator.

53:15 See at 07:05.

54:05 See at 09:45 (HaverSchmidt theory, see part 4a).

58:15 About the paper of the manuscript, see video, part 3.

61:38 Examples: science -, medicine -, holocaust -, hollywood 'religion': filling the gaps of deconversion.

62:30 About OLB's 'racist' content, see video part 4b.

63:20 See blog post Racemixers Banned in OLB.

65:15 Cycle of time, see vision Frana p.115-117 and lecture Rika p.233.

66:00 Forum post by Afrikaans geologist and author Alewyn Raubenheimer about similarities between problems white colonists faced in ancient and recent times.

Hour 2

00:55 Historische Skizzen auf Grundlage von Thet Oera Linda bok (1875); the German translation by Hermann Otto of Vitringa 1874.

01:55 Herman Wirth 1933: Die Ura Linda Chronik (PDF of the original in Gothic letters), as well as in normal letters: part 1 (translation), part 2 (discussion), part 3 (images).

2:30 Dutch newspaper article (partly translated) regarding this 1933 exhibition "Heilbringer" about primordial Nordic religion.

03:15 See about public academic OLB discussion (May 4, 1934) in Berlin (in German), chapter "Himmlers Bibel - und die öffentlichkeitswirksamste Podiumsdiskussion in der Geschichte der Germanistik", p.13-33 of BUCHFIEBER - Zur Geschichte des Buches im 3. Reich, by Gerd Simon u.a. (2008) and Herman Wirth und die Ura-Linda-Chronik by Arthur Hübner, 1934 (German language, Gothic script).

06:50 Some facts about Himmler having OLB investigated, with link to source list in this recent forum post.

07:40 Himmler referring to Wralda, or the most ancient one.

09:00 Himmler's speech at Heydrich's funeral (fragment) June 9, 1942.

10:10 Use of 6-spoke solar wheel in "the ϟϟ Family".

10:20 About the Jul-Leuchter (Yule lantern or candle holder), Himmler's Christmas gift to ϟϟ-families.

13:00 Jensma (2004; page 17): This Ottema was followed by a long row of believers of suspicious character. Of them SS-Führer Heinrich Himmler is the most notorious, but he was certainly not the only one. Theosophists, nazis, New Agers and right extremists of various sorts proclaimed and still proclaim this OLB to be an authentic and important source of our knowledge of western civilisation.
Original text: Deze Ottema kreeg een lange stoet van gelovigen van bedenkelijk allooi achter zich aan. De SS-Führer Heinrich Himmler is van hen de beruchtste, maar hij was zeker niet de enige. Theosofen, nazi's, New Agers en Nieuwe Rechtsen van allerlei pluimage verklaarden en verklaren dit Oera Linda-boek nog steeds voor een authentieke en belangrijke bron voor onze kennis van de westerse beschaving.

15:40 Building plan fragment (1941) of the "SS-Ordensburg Wewelsburg", based on 6-spoke wheel shape, sent to me by a reader of this blog:

18:15 About various Germanic tribes (a.o.): Saxmanna p.159 and p.153-155; Allemanna, Franka, Thjod's Sons, Twisklanders p.251-253.

20:40 Blogpost about Friesland and the Frisians, old and new.

21:30 Myth about the origin of the three root races p.13-19.

22:00 Split of the Kelta- (or Kàlta-) followers and colonists of Athens, see p.87-99.

22:25 Migration to Punjab (Nort West India), p.101-105.

22:30 Return of colonists from India and the Mediterranean back to Fryasland, p.163-177.

22:55 "GERMANIOI (also Karmanians, Carmanians), name of an ancient Persian tribe engaged in farming (Herodotus 1.125). Since this is the only mention of this name by Herodotus (it is absent from his list of Darius’s tributaries and Xerxes’s contingents), one may identify it with the name of Karmanioi, mentioned by Stephanus of Byzantium (Pauly-Wissowa, X/2, cols. 1955-56). Nearchus later refered to them as inhabitants of Carmania (q.v.), and observed that “they lived like the Persians, with whom they were neighbors and were similarly equipped for war” (Indica 38.1)." source
Also see forum posts here, here, here and here.

23:15 Frisian names in NW India; Ottema in Sandbach's translation (1876):
In the accounts of Liudgert no names are given of planes where the Frieslanders lived in India. We only know that they first established themselves to the east of the Punjab, and afterwards moved to the west of those rivers. It is mentioned, moreover, as a striking fact, that in the summer the sun at midday was straight above their heads. They therefore lived within the tropics. We find in Ptolemy (see the map of Kiepert), exactly 24° N. on the west side of the Indus, the name Minnagara; and about six degrees east of that, in 22° N., another Minnagara. This name is pure Fries, the same as Walhallagara, Folsgara, [...]
And Ottema in 1873 "Geschiedkundige aanteekeningen en ophelderingen bij Thet Oera Linda Bok" (historic notes and clarifications):
The content of Liudgért's diary is confirmed by the travel journal of Nearchus which is partly saved by Arrianus in "Anabasis Alexandrou".
Nearchus writes, that the land between the arms of the Indus was called "Pattala" in the Indian language, but the inhabitants called it "Delta", indicating that they were Frisians, since "delte" means "low land" in Frisian. He further names their city Pattala, but he is wrong, since Arrianus (Periplus Erythraei maris) names Minnagara as the city of Pattalene. (See my introduction p. XIV.) Nearchus does not name Wichhirte and Liudgert, but he distinguishes them as firts and second commander: "archón" and "hyparchos" for seaking and rear admiral.
24:05 From wikipedia: "Floris II, Count of Holland (or Floris the Fat) (born ca. 1085 in Vlaardingen, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands; reigned 1091 – March 2, 1121) was the first from the native dynasty of Holland to be called Count of Holland. [...] In 1101 he was endowed with the title of Count of Holland by the bishop of Utrecht, after acquiring Rhineland (Leiden and surroundings) ('comes de Hollant', up until that time the counts' dominion had been officially referred to as Frisia)."

26:25 About king Alexander, p.165-171.

28:20 Video part 1b about Himalaya etymology.

30:30 Socrates on language in Cratylus by Plato, see forum post (and the subsequent post).

30:50 As at 28:20.

39:00 List of classical sources (not complete) that correspond with the OLB here.

40:50 Part about Buddha (a.k.a. Fo, Krisen, Jes-us) in the 6th century BCE, p.185-191.

42:00 Spelling variety among the various parts, see blogpost.

44:20 Website by Norwegian Hans Olav Lien, with Norse and English (as literal as possible) translation as well as a lot of good discussion of words and themes.

50:30 Blog post about anti-usury law.

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  1. Anonymous29/3/16 23:05

    Here is a map of SS-Ordensburg Wewelsburg: https://i.imgur.com/1ErnA5B.jpg